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I have thought about breeding some of things I use for food as well. I cannot feed live mice though. Actually, I wasn't even sure I would be able to stand feeding frozen thawed, but it doesnt bother me at all because the mice are already dead. If I had my own baby mice, I'd probably just raise them as pets or something horrible/crazy like that and Tessa would not be happy with me then! Also, being at home and under parents rules, they don't like the lizards much and do not want me feeding live mice. They just don't like it or something either, so breeding them is way out of the question.
I go to a reptile store here and they breed all their mice, rats, crickets and worms. I get a great price for crickets and worms, plus I don't have to pay shipping, so breeding these would be more of a hassle.
Well, I was bored and thought I'd just share this. lol ~Christie
Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 80 Location: Amsterdam .NL
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:55 am Post subject:
Rick wrote:
That's one of many possible methods, second only to the "Ozzy Osborne" method (biting the heads off). I personally would rather go with the more humane method of CO2 euthanasia.
Rick
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I don't really agree calling gassing them humane. We had this discussion on other forums and every time the outcome was that a quick death is much humaner then gas them.
Here in Europe, as far as I know, most people just through mice and rats to the floor/table/wall hard and its done.
I tried hitting them in the neck, fixating neck and pulling tail etc etc, but this fast bash to the floor (with or without putting them in a bag of some kind) is the fastest and least stressful.
just my 2 cents _________________
0.0.1 Tupinambis merianae (Argentine B/W Tegu)
1.0.0 Tupinambis rufescens (Argentine Red Tegu)
Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 972270 Location: Central Maine
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:04 am Post subject:
Everyones opinion is certainly valuable. My issue with any quick blow (throwing hard against the floor) or even cervical dislocation is that if it's not done right the mouse can suffer. With Carbon Dioxide (CO2) gas there is no real pain, there is no suffering. The animal is first taken by the narcotic effect, then the oxygen is slowly replaced with CO2, which causes asphyxiation (suffocation).
An example would be to go to the doctors. Have an anesthesiologist administer gas, once you are 'asleep', they remove all oxygen from your breathing supply and let you suffocate, then put you in a bodybag and freeze you. You would not feel anything if it was done this way. Of course, don't try this at home. You are likely way to large for my tegus to eat.
The key is slowly putting in the CO2 so that is displaces the oxygen at about 10 to 20%. Within a few minutes the mouse just goes unconscious and then you can increase the CO2 mixture rate, let the chamber sit full of CO2 for 10 minutes (to be on the save side) and then take the mice out and freeze.
The American Veterinary Medical Association's Panel on Euthanasia (Journal of the AVMA, Vol. 202, No. 2, Jan. 15, 1993), the best (most humane) way to kill rats and mice that will be fed to other animals is to asphyxiate them with carbon dioxide (CO2) gas. Other gases can be used, but then there could be "accumulation of tissue residues in food producing animals." (not good to feed to your tegus). The report conditionally finds cervical dislocation to be an acceptable method also, as long as the rats are small (less than 200 grams). Bonking, stunning, etc. are specifically listed as NOT considered acceptable.
If anyone can show me any evidence at all that it is not humane then I will certainly consider it with an open mind. I personally find CO2 to be humane. It's not quick, but it is painless if done correctly.
Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 80 Location: Amsterdam .NL
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:18 am Post subject:
Rick wrote:
Of course, don't try this at home. You are likely way to large for my tegus to eat.
I think so .. 6.5 ft :p
I just think its way to much fuss to 'gass' rodents.. I need only some 15 a week so thats hardly worth some installation of any kind. _________________
0.0.1 Tupinambis merianae (Argentine B/W Tegu)
1.0.0 Tupinambis rufescens (Argentine Red Tegu)
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I'll check out rodentpro.
