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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: Renal Failure?
We recently purchased a 2 year old b&w argie from a pet store, and we are worried that he may have renal failure. we checked his stool and it was all runny and yellowish, we asked about his diet and discovered that he was eating pinkies, spinage, and squash. he did not have a heat lamp on him at the pet store but was acting normal at the time that we spent with him in the store prior to buying him (several hours). we have gotten him home and he has not eaten and hides alot i assume this is all due to his new enviorment and the stress of the move however i worry that he maybe ill despite what i was told by the store owners that he was examined and quarantined for two weeks prior to ever being offered for sale. does anyone find these things to be abnormal or am i being paranoid _________________ Guys, guys, guys, I gotta have more cowbell.
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject:
Well, usually the yellow and runny, is urates, so in other words, it's kind of like "pee" which is completely normal. Pinkies and squash isn't that bad, granted pinkies don't have as much calcium as bigger mice, and it depends what kind of squash. Spinach, thats not really good for him... but all you can do now is give him time, plenty of time, because he probably won't eat for a little bit because of the stress from being moved. Just leave him be, and Do not wake him up out of his hide, I can't stress this enough. Make sure his temps are perfect, and that he has plenty of water, just offer food for him and if he takes it great, if not, I wouldn't worry about it yet. Key word there being yet. Let him get acclimated first. Take a sample of his stool to the vet and get it checked for parasites and everything. Good luck, and keep us updated. try to get some pictures for all of us. _________________ -Art-
well i have several other reptiles so i am familiar with the consistency of reptile feces, the only thing that concerned me was the yellow chunky with black string poop which i think could be from the poor diet of spinach and pinkies. i have read a lot about him and i am just wanting to make sure that he is ok.
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Renal Failure?
alacarD wrote:
We recently purchased a 2 year old b&w argie from a pet store, and we are worried that he may have renal failure. we checked his stool and it was all runny and yellowish, we asked about his diet and discovered that he was eating pinkies, spinage, and squash. he did not have a heat lamp on him at the pet store but was acting normal at the time that we spent with him in the store prior to buying him (several hours). we have gotten him home and he has not eaten and hides alot i assume this is all due to his new enviorment and the stress of the move however i worry that he maybe ill despite what i was told by the store owners that he was examined and quarantined for two weeks prior to ever being offered for sale. does anyone find these things to be abnormal or am i being paranoid
I think you were looking at the urates - They look like that - Renal Failure = Bad Husbandry and could be corrected with proper husbandry "if not too far out there" - Heating, uva/uvb lighting, water, humidity, diet, Inproper Supplementation can all cause problems here, and I see a few of them problems from quoting your post.
Sounds as if you just got him and now he is gonna go hide out and acclimate for a while, so let him be.
I say that now you have brought him home and under your care, get all husbandry needs taken care of - proper lighting,heating - "at the appropriate times" water and humidity.
The diet needs to change as well, however I would not leave food, or disturb to eat until he comes out on his own - Pinkies are garbage for a 2 year old Tegu... _________________ 1.0.0 Ball Python "Albino"
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject:
Oh, well then you know what I was talking about, yeah I'd just make a change in diet then, and wait until he gets all of the old diet out of his system, plus a little while for his stomach to adjust to the new foods. _________________ -Art-
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject:
alacarD wrote:
well i have several other reptiles so i am familiar with the consistency of reptile feces, the only thing that concerned me was the yellow chunky with black string poop which i think could be from the poor diet of spinach and pinkies. i have read a lot about him and i am just wanting to make sure that he is ok.
Ha Ha - After making my post above, I now read this - Actually I think It is within the diet, and I'm sure you will take care of that _________________ 1.0.0 Ball Python "Albino"
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all i feed my four beardies two skinks and one glass lizard is a combanation of collards, squash, variety of fruits and vegatables, crickets and instead of mice i use science diet k/d formula to stimulate healthy kidney function in all my animals. when i do feed crickets they are all dusted with repcal vitamin and calcium sups to ensure the get all they need. when i get time i will post all my pics that i can to show everyone of my proud happy family. for now i have them here: http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/galactoinspecta/
as far as mr alacard goes i think it is really more just his diet that makes his poop the way it was and i think getting him on a proper diet with good temps and uvb
Im pretty sure that urates arent meant to be bright yellow - I may be wrong on this one, but I know that in birds it can indeed be a sign of liver problems. My tegus urates were bright yellow, a problem which started many months ago. We took it up with the vet, who recommended changing his diet (he was borderline obese) before attempting any further tests, since he was generally healthy and active. Since changing his diet significantly to include more vegetable matter and inverts rather than mice, it has very very slowly improved; yesterday he finally defaecated a mess whose urates were more white than yellow. I think its happiest I have ever been to see a tegu poo....
Not to say that every tegu with yellow urates is dangerously ill, but I do agree with your reasoning. I cant find any specific information on it though in tegus.
if he was kept with low temperatures and ate a large amount of yellow squash, it could just be partially digested squash. fix his diet and keep the optimal temperatures and watch his skat. my guess is that he'll come around.
Well the people at the petstore did say that he loved squash so maybe thas what it is. He did make a small solid brown poo and clear liquid but there were very small bright yellow chunks in it as well. Thanks everyone for your imput.
Urates should be whitish, and may be tinged with yellow or other colours depending on whats been eaten. Thick yellow urates may indicate dehydration or other underlying problems.
well we took him back to the pet store due to the fact that we were sold a columbian as a argie. so we took him back, on the way back to the store he pooped in the box and it was solid, but it was still stringy, and bright yellow. poor guy, i hated to take him back but we are getting a baby from bert next week or so. _________________ Guys, guys, guys, I gotta have more cowbell.
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