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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: does anybody breed ball pythons
im new to the hole ball python thing but ive been doing alot of research and i must have seen nearly every morph out. i just wanna know if theres a chance if getting a homozygous axanthic out of breeding a 100% het male to a couple of normal females. its just buying a het female is a fortune. _________________ 0.0.2 b/w Argintine Tegu
1.0.0 Gold Culombians
1.1.0 Emperor Scorpians
1.0.0 100% het axanthic ball
0.0.1 bosc monitor
IN a word, no.
Axanthic is a recessive trait.
A 100% het male bred to a normal female.. you will get 50% of the babies as het axanthic. Not all.. and none will BE axanthic. You don't know WHICH of the hatchlings and will have to raise thema nd breed them back to find out which are carriers.
To get a axanthic you must have both parents be carriers. That's WHY the females are expensive.
Grins.. I love genetics.
Wolfy _________________ Raw Bear with Salt tastes like Oysters.
Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 972270 Location: Central Maine
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:20 pm Post subject:
Wolfy is correct.
The cheapest method is to breed your 100% het xanthic to a few normal females. When all of the eggs hatch, sell all of the male hatchlings as "50% het axanthic" and raise all of your female hatchlings. They are all 50% het axanthic. Now once they are breeding size, breed your 100% male to all of the 50% het axanthic females.. and you will have good odds of getting a couple axanthic. The females that produce at least one axanthic is no longer 50% het axanthic, she is now 100% het axanthic.
The females that do not produce axanthic can still produce axanthic in the next breeding or two, so they are still 50% het axanthic.
Thats the cheapest method, but takes several years. If you can afford a 100% het female, you have a slightly quicker method.
Make sure all of your 'hets' come from trusted sources and with paperwork. Anyone can sell you a normal as a 'het' and you will need to invest years to know for sure.
Who did you get your 100% het from? Who was the original breeder? Did you get genetic guarentee and paperwork?
cheers wolfy and Rick i just thought there might of been a chance but even the punnet squares say no, so it looks as though i have to make a choise between time or cash and i dont think i can wait that long so im gonna have to get my cash up and get a female 100% het.
I got the male from a big well respected exotic store near me the owners ive known for a couple of years and there good guys but i didnt get any proof and no papper, i didnt think it worked like that. All they gave me was a promise after i said it could just be a normal but they assured me it was 100% het.
Rick you've got me thinking know but i dont think they would risk there reputation they have a good name around here i'll go down and see them on saturday, i hope ive not been ripped off.
Cheers again guys _________________ 0.0.2 b/w Argintine Tegu
1.0.0 Gold Culombians
1.1.0 Emperor Scorpians
1.0.0 100% het axanthic ball
0.0.1 bosc monitor
Joined: Dec 09, 2006 Posts: 66 Location: Cow town, AB
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject:
Hey Ezekiel,
By the way your name is the same name of my big breeder male jackson chameleon, but I call him"Z" for short:D Anywho...Yeah there should have been paperwork with it. My friend and ex CO worker is a HUGE ball python breeder...he breeds spiders, mojaves, super pastels, regular pastels, ghosts, and the list goes on. He said you should have gotten some sort of paper work to prove the true morph. But yeah the choice is yours time or money I am glad I breed reptiles that dont give me too much fuss Hope it helps and happy herping
Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 972270 Location: Central Maine
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject:
Ezekiel wrote:
I got the male from a big well respected exotic store near me the owners ive known for a couple of years and there good guys but i didnt get any proof and no papper, i didnt think it worked like that. All they gave me was a promise after i said it could just be a normal but they assured me it was 100% het.
Rick you've got me thinking know but i dont think they would risk there reputation they have a good name around here i'll go down and see them on saturday, i hope ive not been ripped off.
Cheers again guys
Any breeder selling hets should give photo documented guarantees. Buying a 'het' is basically a risk, a written guarantee gives you something to fall back on. Without this document they would not be ruining their name. It will be your word against theirs. You said they have a good rep.. so who is going to be the one people believe? The photo documented proof also helps the breeder, because otherwise you could buy a normal and say it was the 'het' you bought and that you want them to replace it because it didn't prove to be a het.
Keep in mind, photo documented grantee is still only good as the sellers word, but at least it's proof that they told you there was a guarantee and what exactly that guarantee is.
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I am glad I breed reptiles that dont give me too much fuss 
