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Joined: Feb 06, 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Yuba City, California
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject:
louise wrote:
AmeivaBoy wrote:
i had heard of the drowning method on many occasions on several forums but i happen to actually stumble upon it from a youtube video where the site reptiletraining.com was advertised, so out of curiousity i checked it out and sure enough there it is and truly what a crappy inhumane thing this is, i will copy a few excerpts from this so people who havent seen it can see what it's all about
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He has started the day with the same rage. Touching his 'jail box' elicited much hissing from within. We decided to put him in the bathtub with deep water in order to exhaust him and then be the 'heroes' that 'rescue' him.
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He didn't paddle actively- he was unusually calm in the water. Usually he paddles like mad till he can get a grip on something. We watched with one eye around the shower curtain, which was drawn.
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After 5 minutes or so, he flipped on his back, head underwater, and remained still. This was a frightening image, as we had lost a monitor to drowning and found his corpse in the same pose.
there ya have it, the twisted ramblings of a lunatic
the frist time i read that i ended up with tears in my eyes.
rick, i get the terrible PMs and stuff too now. that is why i went off chat.
This just proves they don't feel as strongly as they are trying to express. They are trying to make up new arguements as to how they were right, which is just making them look worse.
Every time I read through what this person has done, it makes me more and more unhappy about being a human...
Ah, the voice of reason. I've been trying to tell these people pretty much the same thing: that monitors will usually become very calm captives without the need for any water exhaustion techniques. Give them the right amount of space and respect and they eventually gain your trust. Positive reinforcement is the key, not negative reinforcement (I haven't even mentioned the mini-'solitary confinement' they also used, in addition to the water technique, for punishing baby monitors that show natural defensive behaviour).
Sadly, Rick, the people in question will be on another forum within the next week or two, extolling the virtues of their amazing training regimen. They'll say that they don't understand why everyone is resistant to their ideas, so clearly it must be because they are against the concept of training reptiles, or that they don't like the idea of having calm reptiles and prefer their captives to be savage. No mention will be made of the drowning/saving technique, other than it being a 'rumour' invented by the 'mob' that is against them. The list of 'mob' members will now probably include your name.
He has already started on yet another forum as his demise was imminent here. He is simply in desperate need of attention. He thinks that he has done something new and groundbreaking, but does not realise that it is not at all new or even special nor does he realise his abusive/torturous methods are immoral, cruel, and most of all, not needed to turn a monitor into a docile creature. In this new forum, he describes his videos and training methods as 'legend'. Sadly again, he uses the wrong word; it should have been described as 'infamous'.
i am mod/admin on 5 reptile sites, i made sure he wasn't posting on my sites. _________________ "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened"-Anatole France
http://www.herpworld.com/
While I originally agreed that any animal can be trained(and still believe that) I was horrified to learn of the methods used.
The worst of the methods is the drowning threat. Mistreating an animal to force it to accept a human is inhumane.
I note too, the monitor is not adult, and is not truely showing tameness in any video I have yet to see. It is showing familarity with humans. Not at all the same thing.
It's a terrible thing that he/she/they do to their animals, and one day it will come back to them in karma.
Wolfy _________________ Raw Bear with Salt tastes like Oysters.
I think it is pretty safe to say that the people using this technique and broadcasting it on the internet like it is breaking news, have about at much brain power as a door mat. This is obvious animal abuse and the people should not be allowed to own any animals, ever. They are the reasons laws get passed against people that are keeping their animals responsibly. Do they even have any full grown animals? Probably not. Surely they have either died from drowning, stress or some easily preventable cause. That speaks for itself. They need to disappear. If only I was a witch, I would make that happen.
Witches can't make bad people disappear. Otherwise there wouldn't be any bad people.
Wolfys.... heehee... well... I could bite their ankles! Really really hard!
Wolfy _________________ Raw Bear with Salt tastes like Oysters.
the people in question will be on another forum within the next week or two, extolling the virtues of their amazing training regimen. They'll say that they don't understand why everyone is resistant to their ideas, so clearly it must be because they are against the concept of training reptiles, or that they don't like the idea of having calm reptiles and prefer their captives to be savage. No mention will be made of the drowning/saving technique, other than it being a 'rumour' invented by the 'mob' that is against them.
Joined: Nov 30, 2006 Posts: 342 Location: Southern California
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject:
wow crocdoc....lol you nailed it. Honestly, I don't believe those graphs she posts. She has also recently stated that her sav "Buzzy" is growing 1 fourth of an inch per DAY....is that possible for an animal that free roams with no humidity or basking whatsoever? Being fed stuff like "cricket omlette" with oatmeal? Doesn't seem likely. Like I said before, if she can keep her savs alive and is able to breed them, she has done something right, but the drowning incident is undoubtedly cruel, nothing will change that. She has replaced Buzzy's training log completely, now, for some reason it shows a pm conversation with Rick and her. It was horrible. I noticed a pattern recently, she attacks more people than people attack her. It is really sad, how this person has treated her savs. She is probably just a lonely lady that needs something to do, so she turned to these creatures. Wanting to raise one to be tame is fine, feeding it crap and drowning it is not. On this new forum, she fails to even admit that drowning a monitor was wrong. She just turns to bashing other people. If she cannot even admit that drowning a sav is wrong, she has problems.
Honestly though, I feel that most of this is partially my fault. I commented on her vids, and she tracked me down here, after I posted the thread about her vids. Rick, Louise, everyone that was abused by this psycho, I wholeheartedly apologize.
Ps. See you on repticzone, crocdoc. _________________ Animals: Too many.
if she can keep her savs alive and is able to breed them, she has done something right .
They (it's a couple) haven't bred their monitors. They've only had them since November and the only other savannah monitor they've had died at a very young age. If they think they'll ever breed them they're dreaming, as the female will die of reproductive failure when it fails to find a suitable laying site. Where's a free roaming monitor going to lay, in the carpet?
Joined: Feb 06, 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Yuba City, California
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:22 am Post subject:
Whats funny to me is how she seems to ignore the things being posted against her and just seems to try and fight other people. Even if these people are being completely reasonable, she still bashes them.
I finally read myself what was posted in her "Training Log" and it just makes me sick. I thought maybe it was something mentioned on a video, not something for someone to read right in the open. This person has mental issues and should never have a pet OR children. Think of what they did when the kids would misbehave...
i cannot believe they changed thier training log. someone linked me when they started posting here. they refuse to admit putting that poor baby in water is wrong, but still they changed the training log? _________________ "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened"-Anatole France
http://www.herpworld.com/
wow...i don't know what else to say on this topic, except its really sad. these people seem to thrive on attention, especially the negative kind, so i think forum admins should just keep banning them. the pair of them are obviously off their rockers
they will be banned from any site i amstaff on. they could give a newbie some really bad advice. _________________ "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened"-Anatole France
http://www.herpworld.com/
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