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I cant believe they changed their training log also. What else have they changed in it? To me, them changing their log made the validity of it decrease A LOT! This just makes them look even worse! _________________ Brad
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Honestly though, I feel that most of this is partially my fault. I commented on her vids, and she tracked me down here, after I posted the thread about her vids. Rick, Louise, everyone that was abused by this psycho, I wholeheartedly apologize.
ahh mike don't feel bad, who knew it would turn into this?? and all you said was that you didn't agree, apparently, lol, opinions are not allowed. well the monitor "trainer" can have them, but no one else.
this is a disaster, give it up people, don't fuel the fire, just let this thread fall into the archives.....
i had heard of the drowning method on many occasions on several forums but i happen to actually stumble upon it from a youtube video where the site reptiletraining.com was advertised, so out of curiousity i checked it out and sure enough there it is and truly what a crappy inhumane thing this is, i will copy a few excerpts from this so people who havent seen it can see what it's all about
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He has started the day with the same rage. Touching his 'jail box' elicited much hissing from within. We decided to put him in the bathtub with deep water in order to exhaust him and then be the 'heroes' that 'rescue' him.
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He didn't paddle actively- he was unusually calm in the water. Usually he paddles like mad till he can get a grip on something. We watched with one eye around the shower curtain, which was drawn.
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After 5 minutes or so, he flipped on his back, head underwater, and remained still. This was a frightening image, as we had lost a monitor to drowning and found his corpse in the same pose.
there ya have it, the twisted ramblings of a lunatic
I havent read passed the first page of this thread as yet but had to post after reading this.
That is quited from someones experience? Someone actually did this? Who? And is there no animal cruelty laws in the country they live?
That is one of the cruelest forms of torture i can possibley imagine!
Whats next? taming him down by putting him in freezer to 'slow him down'?
( THAT WAS NOT A SUGGESTION just incase your reading)
If these people are in uk can someone please provide details?
I havent read passed the first page of this thread as yet but had to post after reading this.
That is quited from someones experience? Someone actually did this? Who? And is there no animal cruelty laws in the country they live?
That is one of the cruelest forms of torture i can possibley imagine!
Whats next? taming him down by putting him in freezer to 'slow him down'?
( THAT WAS NOT A SUGGESTION just incase your reading)
If these people are in uk can someone please provide details?
Andy
I am not in the UK, but I am familiar with what this mentally sick individual has posted on a number of websites. He lives in British Columbia, Canada, where there are animal cruelty laws. If this was being done to dogs or cats, he would have been arrested by now.
I wish that you did not mention the freezer; he might think that is a good idea- he could 'save' the monitor from freezing to death and be its 'hero'.
Joined: Feb 22, 2007 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Alberta
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:17 am Post subject:
Alright, being new to this site and all, I have to find out what this is all about. I have been around monitor lizards my whole life, and heard of a variety of taming exercises, and never once have I come across this water-exhaustion technique. I cannot believe such a practice actually exists! The cruelty of this tactic astounds me, and I would love for someone to correct me at any time and tell me that I in fact made a mistake and misinterpreted all of this. Please tell me if I have the facts straight and someone tried to drown their monitor, and then tell me how such a person is able to acquire more animals and repeat the same action.
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Hmmm... am /I/ being cruel, too?
Okay... I have to jump in here to ask a question. Drusilla, my female red, has a hard time getting through these Vermont winters without soaking in a tub for about an hour every other day or so. Soaking allows her to shed well, and keeps her healthy and happy. The water is deep enough that she can easily rest on the bottom with her legs and keep her nose above water without having to "swim," but deep enough that if she were to lie down flat she'd be completely submerged. Let me say that this has NEVER been a technique to train her, but to keep her healthy. That said, she does struggle like hell one or two times during the hour for a minute or so to climb/swim/leap out of the tub. I found - quite accidentally - that after this soaking period, she's always quite docile and puts up with inspections/manhandling better than at other times, and will often willingly nap on my chest for a couple hours. I may be inadvertently using a similar method of "taming" when I need to inspect/clip/handle my tegu. While I'd never put the lizard in a situation where it was swim-or-die, I wonder if folks feel that this is a mistake, too. Anybody?
Joined: Feb 22, 2007 Posts: 15 Location: Southern Alberta
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject:
I feel that having a tub available for soaking is good for any tropical reptile. In your case, I would say that your water is at a good level, allowing her to submerge if she is so inclined, but that she can easily break the surface for air, and rest in the tub without having to constantly "swim". I would recommend placing a rock in your water dish that allows the tegu to climb out of the water dish without a panicked moment.
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