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Joined: Oct 07, 2007 Posts: 113 Location: Sacramento, CA
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: Want a Chame and a Snake. Help
I want a small non-poisonous snake to try my hand at and a really handle-able chameleon. Anyone have any suggestions on what kind? P.S. I'm poor so think frugally.
Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 972269 Location: Central Maine
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject:
If you are just starting out with reptiles I would wait on getting a chameleon. They are not as hardy as some of the other reptiles you could start with.
As for the snake, I'd recommend a cornsnake or a ball python. Both are a great beginner snake. Do a lot of research to make sure you understand the proper husbandry requirements. Look at pictures of both and choose the one you like best.
Cornsnakes have the largest amount of possible color morphs and they are all fairly inexpensive.
Joined: Oct 07, 2007 Posts: 113 Location: Sacramento, CA
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:
I've had a beardie, have an iguana, and have a tegu. Corn snakes and ball pythons are cool but I see that corn snakes get up to about four feet long. Is that correct? Ball pythons look cool, but I have NO experience with snakes because they've always been one of my bigger fears in life, and I think they get big. Again, is this correct? I guess a cornsnake isn't too bad in size, I just have a cat a dog, a juvie tegu, an iguana, and I don't particularly care to have a snake that will try to eat my girlfriend's cat. Are chameleons difficult to keep?
Joined: Sep 04, 2007 Posts: 18 Location: downers grove, il
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:59 am Post subject:
I'd get a ball for sure. They get around 4 ft, but are usually docile and easy to tend to. I started with a ball, it was my first hook into the herp addiction. Now I also have and Albino Burmese. (Do NOT start with a burm).
As far as chameleons go.. Jackson's are probably a better bet. They seem more prone to humans, and the one I had loved to be hand fed. I love veileds cause they are pretty however they really hate being handled. Ive owned two, and my current one is about 8 inches or so with his crest already almost an inch is a bastard. I handle him everyday to get fed, yet he's just a pissy little guy.
Thats my info, if you have any questions or wanna see pix, just ask _________________ -Seth
0.1 Albino Burmese
1.0 Ball Python
1.0 Bearded Dragon
1.0 Veiled Chameleon
1.0 Argentine B&W Tegu
0.0.1 Argentine Red Tegu
0.1 Crested Gecko
Misc fish/aquatics
Joined: May 16, 2007 Posts: 827 Location: Connecticut
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:39 am Post subject:
We have a Veiled also. He was a pissing little guy when he was young, puffing up, lunging, biting, but now he's mellowed some and only puffs up once in a while. We've taken him for walks (on our shoulders) and rides in the car. There have been a few rare occasions that he's walked out onto my hand. _________________ 1.1.16 Blue Tegus, 1.0 Red Tegu, 0.1 B&W Arg. Tegu
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa, 0.1 Dumeril Boa, 1.0 Suriname Boa
1.2 Ball Pythons, 1.0 Coastal Carpet Python
0.1 Cuban Rock Iguana
2.1.3 Bearded Dragons, 1.0 Veiled Chameleon, 0.0.1 Tokay Gecko
Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 972269 Location: Central Maine
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:24 am Post subject:
Veiled Chameleons will tolerate being handled well if you get a young one and start handling it now and then right from a tiny baby, or buy one from someone who has already handled one a lot.
Cornsnakes can get up to 4 foot over time, but generally 3+ foot is normal. They do not get very large around (compared to pythons and boas). They will not get to the point where they will eat an iguana, tegu, beardie, though I wouldn't suggest keeping any of those together.
Call around the local petshops to see if any have an adult cornsnake and an adult ball python so that you may stop in and get a good idea of their size. It will help you make a better informed decision.
if your worried about size snakes like kenyan sand boas stay super small. usually about an inch in diameter and 2.5 feet long if you get a male the are more like 3/4" around and 18" long. they are really easy to keep too. 10g aquarium with some aspen bedding on the bottom and a heat lamp or a UTH.
Joined: Dec 04, 2006 Posts: 238 Location: California
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:42 am Post subject:
man my first snake was a cali king but living in CA makes it hard to keep these guys sometimes, espcially when your local fish and game office has a beef with ya . I also had corns, ya 4' might sound big but they are a relartivly small snake and are really tame.
cham wise I've only kept two speices pigmy and flap necks. Flapnecks are really easy to keep and mine really liked people. When i moved away to college i had to give him to one of my co workers who's wife took him to be a class pet at a high school. The kids love him and when i go to visit him he still seems happy. Unfortnetly i think he passed away this year, that would have made him 7 years old.
Just a word of caution cham set up are not cheep when done right. They need alot of ventilation with humidity. Granted its easier now then it was 7 years ago when i got mine, but still its not easy. Snake set-ups are alot easier (cheeper for some) to maintain.
Joined: Oct 07, 2007 Posts: 113 Location: Sacramento, CA
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject:
Well I'm thinking on skipping the chame for awhile and going with a corn snake. Seems like they are pretty low maintainence and what the hell I've got a freezer full of mice anyway right? Herps are so addicting it scares me. What morph of cornsnakes do you guys like. I like the blizzard that's pure white but my lady hates em. I like the (I think milksnake?) that looks like a coral snake. I like em striped, I dunno show me what you think is cool.
Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 972269 Location: Central Maine
Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject:
ApriliaRufo wrote:
I like the (I think milksnake?) that looks like a coral snake. I like em striped, I dunno show me what you think is cool.
The milksnake is actually it's own species of snake, closely related to kingsnakes. They too can may a good starter snake, but cornsnakes are typically considered the starter snake.
As far as what cornsnake morph I like best, I like motleys. Which means they have spots down their back instead of regular saddles. A motley is a "pattern" morph. You can make any "colored" morph into a motley.
As for the colored morphs I like, I think the normal albino (red/orange/white) is nice. I like when you selectively breed to get rid of the white so that you have a red and orange snake, which they call a "sunglow" is nice. And of course, a Sunglow is even better when you make that into a motley..
So my favorite cornsnake morph is a "Sunglow Motley Cornsnake".
Here is one of my pictures showing two Sunglow Motleys, please note that the smaller one is dull because she is shedding.
Joined: Oct 07, 2007 Posts: 113 Location: Sacramento, CA
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject:
Alright, first off you guys rock. Few more questions.
One - I like the Charcoal Cornsnakes but I don't understand terminology. What's a hypo and what's an Anery. B? I obviously recognize that the pictures look different, but what the hell does that stuff mean?
Two - Homozygous and heterozygous? I'm guessing male/female?
Three - Is www.cornsnake.net a good place to buy from? If not, where to? Any suggestions?
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. I also had corns, ya 4' might sound big but they are a relartivly small snake and are really tame.
