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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: Rocky got into my fan and hit by the blades :(
Rocky is almost dead or dying I think, maybe not but he got into my fan and got stuck inside and got hit by the blades I hope he is okay, but I did learn something from all of this, that snakes blood is white (I think, thats blood anyhow.)
Joined: May 16, 2005 Posts: 1164 Location: panamacity florida
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:38 am Post subject:
DeadIrishD, He is not bleeding, if the blood is white. Snakes blood is red just like anything else. He may have discharged out of his cloaca. Snakes do this sometimes when they are hert or afraid. How is he? _________________ www.tegu.com and www.Varnyard-herps-inc.com
Snakes' blood is not white. The oxygen-binding pigment of erythrocites in snakes, and ALL vertebrates for that matter, is hemoglobin, which makes the blood red.
This should be taken as a lesson by all, that even though we may think these animals are intelligent and such, when it comes down to it, they do NOT understand devices are dangerous. One would be considered negligent to allow infants to play around such equipment, tegus are no different.
he seems better than I had thought physically, just extremely nervous and I can't get him away from the fan.
I know that snakes blood is red now, and I did before its just that my nerves and everything kicked in
tupinambis, you are acting like I said oh gee rocky lets play near the fan where you are cold blooded, ya know just to make you cold when you like heat? yup thats cool, wasn't my fault that Rocky had gotting out of his cage if thats what you are implying, if I did take this the wrong way I am truthfully sorry though.
No, that's not quite what I was getting at. Just saying that everyone could learn something from the encounter to avoid similar situations. However, not that I wish to pick a fight here, but you raise an interesting question. If it isn't the pet owner's fault (ie. responsibility) for ensuring that their animals' enclosures are secure and the animal is safe, then who is at fault? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's just my opinion, but the way I see it, anyone who decides to own a reptile (or pretty much any pet for that matter) has volunteered to be responsible for every aspect of that organism's life, including its safety.
Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 613 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:41 am Post subject:
I agree with tupinambis
However, accidents do happen. One morning I came downstairs and saw the window of my gecko enclosure was open...why? I can't honestly say. I am pretty sure I closed it before. As I was feeding them and didnt want to have crickets run loose in the house...
When I checked 2 gecko's were gone (I had 5 at the time) And these are those very tiny stenodactylus (10 cm)
I did find them again underneath my computer (warm and dark)
But after some days they died...I asume because of the stress and cold of being out of their enclosure.
And I am pretty sure every ones in a while we all make a mistake or forget something we need to do to keep them safe. Sometimes its a little thing, and sometimes its pretty bad and the animal might die.
Our fault? YES! But if it wasnt done on purpose or out of neglect its not something to give anyone a hard time about (and I am not saying your giving him a hard time Tupinambis, its just to finish off my rant about this subject )
Hows the snake doing?
Did you get it out yet?
Be sure to either get it to a vet (a herp vet) or clean out the wounds with betamine or whats the name of the stuff in english
If the wound will infect its the end for the snake I think...
. _________________ 1.0.0 T.rufescens
0.1.0 T.merianae
1.0.0 Testudo horsfieldii
1.0.0 Stenodactylus sthenodactylus
0.0.1 Ceratophrys ornata
0.0.1 Geocholone elegans
0.0.1 Python regius
2.0.0 Mustela Putorius Furo
0.1.0 Bouvier des flandres
Joined: May 16, 2005 Posts: 1164 Location: panamacity florida
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:16 am Post subject:
I agree with you Brisamen, and you are right (IMO).
We must remember that we are their keepers, and it is up to us to try to keep them safe. But as you said accidents do happen. If we try real hard we might be able to keep some of the bad things from happening.
And DeadIrishD, I hope your snake is ok. _________________ www.tegu.com and www.Varnyard-herps-inc.com
Joined: Apr 23, 2005 Posts: 312 Location: Phoenix AZ
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject:
I hope he turns out okay...he probably will. Reptiles are remarkably durable .
Not that they don't deserve to be carefully cared for and watched over to prevent injury.
But accidents do happen. My darkest hour was when I accidently left a young iguana (a rescue case even ) outside in the basking cage for too long in the middle of summer. I just forgot he was outside...couldn't believe myself. Anyway...long story short iguanas can't take more than an hour or so of AZ sun...he overheated and died.
It took me a very long time to forgive myself for that. _________________ Elliot
Joined: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 613 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:46 am Post subject:
Yup even experienced people can have accidents, even with the best intentions.
So your snake is all well again under the circomstances? _________________ 1.0.0 T.rufescens
0.1.0 T.merianae
1.0.0 Testudo horsfieldii
1.0.0 Stenodactylus sthenodactylus
0.0.1 Ceratophrys ornata
0.0.1 Geocholone elegans
0.0.1 Python regius
2.0.0 Mustela Putorius Furo
0.1.0 Bouvier des flandres
Snakes' blood is not white. The oxygen-binding pigment of erythrocites in snakes, and ALL vertebrates for that matter, is hemoglobin, which makes the blood red.
This should be taken as a lesson by all, that even though we may think these animals are intelligent and such, when it comes down to it, they do NOT understand devices are dangerous. One would be considered negligent to allow infants to play around such equipment, tegus are no different.
Aye.. I have two things to say about this, though I'm sorry to bring this topic back up.
On the subject of intelligence and the like.. I'm not going to get into all of this.. but basically.. I should think that they are indeed intelligent, really, most of what you learn about them should prove that they are to a degree intelligent, though with most species.. it comes down to equipment, and a alot of them just aren't able to handle it..
The snake did not understand that the device was dangerous because he had never encountered it before, as you said, infants wouldn't know the difference either.. but they quickly learn don't they? The snake is in a new world and just as infantile. However, after an experience like that, it'd likely steer clear of it.
I've had boids who were scared of mice after incidents, I've had my female actually squish a rat against the glass intentionally to kill it, just so that she wouldn't be harmed.
Next time, we can hope, the snake will think twice of using a fan as a perch.
Anyways.. My thoughts on intelligence of herps are still forming, and I ramble too much, eh. Moving on.
The blood part.. that's not entirely true.. as we both know, it's the pigment that makes blood red.. but just as some plants use different pigments to absorb light, you'll find different blood colors in different animals.. The green blooded skinks for example.. their blood is indeed green.
Um, Slizarus, it depends on how you wish to look at it. The skinks of which you refer to are of the genus Prasinohaema. The respiratory pigment in these animals is still hemoglobin, which when oxidized, is red. However, several members of this genus have elevated levels of the bile pigment biliverdin in their blood plasma, which gives their overall colour a green cast. This is the same as jaundiced people, where the elevated level of biliverdin in their blood gives them a jaundiced (yellow/green) look. However, where as it is a disease in jaundiced people, it is a natural state in these lizards. But the green pigment has nothing to do with regular blood function. There are also several fish species that display this phenomenon as well. But saying that it is their actual blood that is green pigmented is basically making the same claim that you have urine for blood, because your blood plasma carries urea in it until it gets filtered out by your kidneys. Granted, it is green to the naked eye, but that green isn't part of the actual blood cells.
Um, Slizarus, it depends on how you wish to look at it. The skinks of which you refer to are of the genus Prasinohaema. The respiratory pigment in these animals is still hemoglobin, which when oxidized, is red. However, several members of this genus have elevated levels of the bile pigment biliverdin in their blood plasma, which gives their overall colour a green cast. This is the same as jaundiced people, where the elevated level of biliverdin in their blood gives them a jaundiced (yellow/green) look. However, where as it is a disease in jaundiced people, it is a natural state in these lizards. But the green pigment has nothing to do with regular blood function. There are also several fish species that display this phenomenon as well. But saying that it is their actual blood that is green pigmented is basically making the same claim that you have urine for blood, because your blood plasma carries urea in it until it gets filtered out by your kidneys. Granted, it is green to the naked eye, but that green isn't part of the actual blood cells.
I learn something new everyday, and I already knew that it was the bile pigment.
I did not research it beyond the basics, the pigments which cause it to be green, the rest was pure conjecture. Always glad to know the fact though.
And to DrFish.. You're not tripping out, it is a different color before it absorbs oxygen. The reason behind this, I can't honestly recall.. but it's an obvious phenomenon if you look at those deprived of oxygen (Area turns blue/purple)... it's an interesting thing. If Tupinambis doesn't give you the answer himself.. I'll come back after a while and look it up. I just got too much on my hands right now. Running a search on Brumation/hibernation in Teids, Agamids, and Boids.
Edit.. I'm wrong again, Damn biology, gave me a lot of wrong reasons...
"In slow bleeds the blood gets exposed to oxygen in the air fast
enough, and is in thin enough layers, to turn red. Rapid bleeding from
veins really is dark as it runs down the body . Trust me. Even
after it pools, rapidly spilled venous blood can still remain quite
dark, right up until it congeals, in the right circumstances. Much
depends on how thin it gets smeared"
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I hope he is okay, but I did learn something from all of this, that snakes blood is white (I think, thats blood anyhow.)
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) outside in the basking cage for too long in the middle of summer. I just forgot he was outside...couldn't believe myself. Anyway...long story short iguanas can't take more than an hour or so of AZ sun...he overheated and died. 
