SOMEONE WANTED ME TO POST (breeding info on COL.black and go

ReptiSnob · Banned Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 15

my adice is this- dont speak unless you know what you are talking about.
it is fine to give obvious advice like checking climatical condtions of a species (known) natural range. But long time herp keepers know that even following such doesnt mean that you will ahve any success breeding them

bubbasherps · Respected Member Joined: Dec 16, 2005 Posts: 460

Thank you for showing us that everyone does not know what they are talking about. Thank you also for showing us that there are those out there still willing to give advice (like myself), and there are those that continiously put down others (like yourself). Im here for advice and to talk about reptiles not to defend myself and my knowledge.
jeff
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ReptiSnob · Banned Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 15

I'm not putting you down personally.

I just had to point out that you presented your information as fact instead of theory, choose your words wisely because people who dont know any better might misinterpret them as FACT

bubbasherps · Respected Member Joined: Dec 16, 2005 Posts: 460

Thank you for pointing that out. But all first time breeding is all on fact and research been monitoring weather conditions for 3 years in columbia. to get seasonal conditioning for COL. Tegus Please add advice not put down advice . thank you for your interest.
jeff
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ReptiSnob · Banned Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 15

ummm,....

tell me this, instead of trying to weasel your way out......

why did you name temps?????

why did you name incubation periods?????

did you just go to JSTOR and "borrow" information from scientific journals and post it??? face it, you were full of it and caught, dont down play it just admit it

bubbasherps · Respected Member Joined: Dec 16, 2005 Posts: 460

Because i know some facts about Col. tegu Incubation temps Etc. by studies in the field and from other keepers your putting my facts down. thats not good advice and info are why people in the herp hobby breed so many species. yes I need to test my advice Im sorry for it. you have no idea what herp knowlege I have and experiances I have. So instead of bashing me put useful info in your post.
thanks
jeff
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ReptiSnob · Banned Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 15

Fine "Bubba"

Fact- there is NO documented breeding of Tupinambis teguixin in the private sector in North America (I dont know of any zoological institution breeding them but I dont currently have access to JSTOR files)

Fact- Most people who keep teguixins arent SERIOUS hobbyists and therefore wont try to breed teguixins.

Fact- IF anyone has a male teguixin that needs a good home and would like someone to actually try to breed the species then contact me.
MY 29" 923 gram female could use a mate.

Now how do other "keepers" know of wild incubation temps of teguixin??
This information would only be known to herpetologists and biologists in South America or listed in JSTOR files. I do not know of many private keepers that are able to study the animals they keep in the field (in regards to "exotic" species) The keepers that I do know that have been able to study the animals they keep in captivity have studied them in the wild are varanid keepers. I do not know of a SINGLE hobbyist that has studied Tupinamnbs of any species in the wild (and no berts little trip to argentina does not count as "studying") You say I haved no idea of what herp experience you have, it is apparent from what you have brought to the table today. I will not act like I know anything about incubation temps, incubation periods or climatical alterations that would induce breeding in teguixin because I have never bred them nor know of anyone in the zoological or private sector that has. Can this be said for you? I think not.

bubbasherps · Respected Member Joined: Dec 16, 2005 Posts: 460

Like I said give advice ideas

Try to help fellow keepers

I do import herps from SA and have contacts with importers i get info on local of herps i get. no long term studies have been done

thats up to the herper to DO RESEARCH like I did

I agree that i have not bred COL. TEGUS nobody has. IT WAS ADVICE FOR FELLOW HERPERS TO TRY
maybe other keepers have other ideas or you can just give them grief

thanks for the suppport and help

jeff
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ReptiSnob · Banned Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 15

lmao,

You just wont admit you were giving out information you have no idea about will you?
As far as you importing animals from S.A. I would love to hear how you go about this. Also I would like to add since when do natives know anything about that natural history of the species they keep in horrid conditions before they are exported to where at least 70% of them die before being in North America more than a month (couple examples include Hemidactylus sp., Mountain horned dragons, Ameiva sp., Asian water dragons, Cone head lizards, etc etc the list goes on and on)
If part of the basis of your information is from people (supposedly) who merely see and capture these animals for export then I guess all the 11 and 12 year old kids catching sceloporous (better known to you as "blue bellies) here in the states must be experts in their natural history and captive husbandry... then again I look at repticzone.com fence lizard forum and the same forum on kingsnake and i see 90% of the posts being labeled "help" with one thing or another, what does that tell you?
That merely because you live where a certain species might exist you know something about it??????? Take no thought about differing ecological niches in the same habitats that different species occur.
your statements have no ground. I dont think you know much about colombian tegus in the wild nor in captivity. I dont think you know any importers nor import animals yourself (if you did you would see this is a timely and costly venture if you're a private hobbyist and still greatly time consuming if you actually ran a wholesale operation, of which I work with one so I know how things go) You should really stop flapping your jaw because you dont know what you are talking about.
As far as spitting out advice for people to try, hell I could do that. Read a couple care sheets on for instance macklotts pythons a species I know nothing about and regurgitate the info, take a couple notes from a weather report and put together a fake hypothesis of what i would do to breed them and present it as factual information. No where in your initial post did you state it was "what you would try". It was all presented as "I have done this so this is how it is"
If other keepers who actually keep teguixin would like to discuss possible methods for breeding the species in captivity i am game. But False information presented as fact is something I will not tolerate. Each one of your posts has had many, many holes in it yet you still continue. I dont see why you just dont admit you were wrong. I dont know everything about every species and never said I did, nor would ever act like I still did when evidence to the contrary has been put in my face time and time again (in a matter of hours even!)

Ben3233 · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject:

Ok, I think there is a misundertanding here.

First of all, let me introduce myself, my name is Ben and I do not know anything about breeding. I had some good experience with herps, I read books, watch many documents on discovery channel and etc. I can't consider myself as a real reptile professional.

The problem here, is that, Bubba, want to share with us a Theory that he has built with his personnal knowledge.That doesn't mean that he his true or false.

Reptisnob(seems to be new here) this forum, is not only a professional Zoologist or Herpetologist forum. People here have the same common point, they do love reptile and love to share,compare their own experience.

Everybody here learns more everyday about Tegus(all species). Some people here have their own theory about breeding,keeping and training reptile. You can see here that Rick (administrator here) have his own theory about breeding and Bert have also his own.

The point is that this post is made to read about "breeding information of Col and Gold Tegu", it's not written (How to breed Col and Gold Tegu).

Bubba his giving some advice and information about breeding Col. and gold Tegu. If you do not agree, fine, we understand that, but you do not need to destroy the theory of somebody with some arguments like: so your giving advice on how to breed animals you have never bred that doesn'T make any sense. .

I post this comment, for trying to calm down this post, I do not want somebody getting banned for nothing in this forum.

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ReptiSnob · Banned Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 15

thanks ben, been banned here before, im sure it would happen again
as I am not new, only a new name. Thank you for your input

baby · New Member Joined: Feb 23, 2008 Posts: 3

i have been checking this little conversation between the two. first off i would like to thank bubba for giving me some advice on a problem i was having...thank you bubba. Second, he is here to help those who need help, some guiedance and some things to try when the "professional" advice doesnt work. bubba has been very kind and very respectful to members and has got to know some of us personally and he is very well liked in this chat. i feel that there should be more people out there like bubba who is willing to offer some help or some general information when others are in need. I feel that you are only here to stir up trouble and to once again get yourself banned or TRY to make others look like they are less than themselves. Sorry did not work with me. bubba your great and very kind thank you for all your help

ReptiSnob · Banned Joined: Mar 04, 2008 Posts: 15

Baby,

I'm glad you're "first" post was touching on this topic.
My points are not about that he may or may not have been helpful to people in regards too...well whatever. But my arguement is about people spouting off about things they know nothing about. This van be seen on about any reptile forum and yes, I have commnented when I have seen them eslewhere too. The regurgitation of well known information is one thing, but promoting unproven information without data or personal experience is another. Maybe you're just a personal freind of his or maybe even him, himself (who knows with only one post, did you just register? enquiring minds want to know?)
The point is simple, no one under any circumstance should give out information if they a) do not know what they are talking about b) are just repeating what they have read (i.e. reptiles magazine articles which often have bad advice) or c) or do not have extensive experience with a wide variety of herps where generalizations can be made.

If you can not see the vailidty i the points I ahve made in this thread then I am sorry... for you and your animals.

bubbasherps · Respected Member Joined: Dec 16, 2005 Posts: 460

My post did help someone

thank you baby for your kindness

I feel good that you learn something about COL. Tegus like I said it is advice and research that was countless hours researching papers studing weather conditions for 3 years

My hope is this species is bred in captivity

They are great tegus

You all know i love TEGUS

Ill have to test my theory

my suggestion about using a garbage can worked with ARG. tegus, COL. Tegus we know by book knowlege they lay eggs in termite mite mounds my idea was to use garbage in give them a dark secluded area like a termite mound

if i did breed this species it was based on research and ideas
thank you ben and baby
jeff
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baby · New Member Joined: Feb 23, 2008 Posts: 3

Well let me first point out facts to you
FACT - last time i checked im female not male

FACT - im sorry if i misled you in assuming that i actually care what you have to say to me or about me

FACT - i am not in this hobby as my life work.

FACT - people like bubba have given others general advice and support when needed

FACT - usallly i am on im or through mail

FACT - you sit there and discredit others for trying to help then trun around and try to sound like you know what your talking about. The only thing you have achieved in my eyes are someone who spouts at the mouth yourself about things you can not possibly relate to, such as helping others. I have seen that you are not in the hobby business but you are in the discrediting business. I have also noticed that you like to be in the spotlight and seek attention. This will be my last post. The only reason I even decided to post was due to the fact that you obviously came in here to try and make members look foolish when in FACT you have only made yourself look foolish. In no way would i ever take advice from someone who claims they love this hobby but clearly has no respect for other hobbyists. I have been in this hobby with my husband for 13 years and I have noticed the only thing that brings this hobby down are people like you. Thank you once again for showing me how some people truely are on here. Oh one more fact for you...Fact what part of some of us know him personally didnt you understand? Once again bubba thanks for all your support to others and thank you for your kindness even after people like this try and put you down...

Oh one more fact for ya....I spell better than bubba ...sorry bubba lol